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Myles Wong
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.12 00:58:00 -
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Hubris:
noun 1. excessive pride or self-confidence; arrogance.
I would say this is the root of the issue. CCP gave us a sandbox to play in. They allowed groups of individuals to create content (metagame) within the confines of the sandbox. These groups were even allowed to create and enforce their own rules within the sandbox and impose their will on other players. Once the game crossed over the sandbox lines and into the real world it becomes necessary for the EULA/ToS to be enforced. A subset of players believes they can play by their rules without consequence and complete disregard for players who stick to the rules as defined by CCP. Is this debate really about the reason for the mass ban or the fact that it actually happened? Some of those whose names are known have been witnessed to goading, flaming and trolling their victims into reacting with comments and threats that are bannable. Those banned have threatened to petition to get their victims banned for the reactions they incited. This is the biggest example of irony colliding with hypocrisy that I've seen yet. Bottom line, if you intend to grief people relentlessly, for gods sakes don't post the evidence on other websites...I swear, some people are just dumb enough to rob a bank on foot in 2ft of snow. |
Myles Wong
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:44:00 -
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Why do so many people insist that CCP explain themselves? There seems to be some broad assumption that it's all bonus room related. There is the possibility this is the result of a long time investigation. Perhaps CCP has been observing these players behaviours and actions of a period of time and made a decision based on evidence they gathered. At any rate if the community insists on evidence/explanations/clarifications then CCP would have to jeapordize any active investigations by giving specific details. Some of the same people making real life comparisons have repeatedly in the past stated real life comparisons are irrelevant. Why the change of heart? It truly is none of our business why certain individuals got banned. It's almost as if common sense suddenly became a commodity and some people are trying to trade in counterfeit stock. |
Myles Wong
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:52:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
Every player in EVE should be concerned when random people are blanket banned because they happen to have been in the same channel/corp/alliance/mailing list as the person or persons doing the wrong thing.
You have proof that these random players have done absolutely nothing to get themselves banned? Is their word so trustworthy you would allow them access to your account to play on with no worries? In my experience as a former game admin and forum admin, people you come to trust will most certainly dissappoint you when you least expect it. |
Myles Wong
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:58:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Myles Wong wrote:Is their word so trustworthy you would allow them access to your account to play on with no worries? No because account sharing is a bannable offense. It's got nothing to do with trust. How would you know if I let someone else use my account? And it has everything to do with trust. People are questioning CCP's trustworthiness in regards to actions they took. If it became knowledge that CCP banned people just because they can, many people would most likely unsubscribe, myself included.
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Myles Wong
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:18:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote: I wouldn't raise this as an issue if it had only happened once to a group of people that, to be fair, I don't support the actions of. What concerns me (and frankly should concern everyone) is people are being banned because of who their friends are.
What proof do you have that innocents were banned besides your heartfelt and earnest testimony? I don't care who was banned or why. I worry that people get away with seriously messed up stuff and nothing happens. If I'm not going to provide proof and/or evidence to back up any claims I make, then I don't expect much help from CCP. Again, people can be very respectful and good player types to you, but may be intolerable to others. Too many rules lawyers here trying to argue a point in a game that has virtually no rules. But you want explanations and proof about something no one has any idea of why or how an action was taken. Proof or you're wrong....
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Myles Wong
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:33:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote: Yeah, I'm totally going to fall in to the trap of posting everything on the eve forums & getting banned for it. Sound thinking.
I understand what it is everyone wants. A clear and concise wording of 'the rules'. If that happens the sandbox will lose its containment. I imagine the petition/complaint department gets hundreds of posts a day. Maybe the developers are tired of hearing the same complaints about the same people? At any rate, not trying to bait anyone into getting themselves banned. Common sense seems to work for 95% of the player base. It's likely most of us wouldn't be able to manage a game as complicate as EvE. BTW, this is my main. I lost faith in player corporations that were run by pompous people like yourself. And no, I'm not a troll either. I happen to know what common sense is and don't need it explained to me like a 12 year old. |
Myles Wong
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:38:00 -
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Would love to stay and continue beating this horse. Unfortunately I have a job. Have fun losing the argument. |
Myles Wong
Mallaks Brown Grotto Raiders
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Posted - 2014.09.13 05:56:00 -
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After slaving away all day over the french fryer and in between demands of apple pie from the likes of Ssabat Thraxx I had an epiphany. CCP should draw up specific and black and white rules. We will then see forum raging like never before as those who willingly fall on their swords over something they know nothing about are faced with a brand new EvE. It is disturbing that Remiel and Kaarous along with others have not had their more serious issues investigated and taken care of appropriately. But back to the topic. Bring forth the rules and make us all equals despite our time with eve, alliance we may or may not be in, or status amongst our peers. Those that can't tell right from wrong will be pretty disappointed. |
Myles Wong
Mallaks Brown Grotto Raiders
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Posted - 2014.09.13 12:25:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Oh, how ironic. Why don't you stop to think for a moment instead of acting out on a preconceived notion of your own superiority? What gives you the right to call me anything, and more importantly, how do you know what I am? There's a reason God chose to punish you with cancer, my child, but it would seem you have not gotten any humility from the experience... truly pitiful. If there has been anything worse than this posted on the forums, please link it so I have some kind of example to compare to. That is a truly disgusting thing to say to anyone, anywhere and any time. If you know anyone who has experienced cancer, I hope you can look them in the eyes next time you see them and feel the shame in what you have said.
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